では vs. でわ

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では vs. でわ
Topic Started: Jun 23 2010, 08:23:05 PM (2,356 Views)
waratte	Jun 23 2010, 08:23:05 PM Post #1
「笑う門には福来たる。」 ... "Smiling brings happiness." Posts: 2,035 Group: Admin Member #10,551 Joined: May 16 2008	では vs. でわ YUI writes では but HISASHI and whoever writes the staff diaries (Icchii☆-san? Shiba-chan?) writes でわ see: http://okwave.jp/qa/q115856.html discuz. I truly prefer　「こんにちは」 over 「こんにちわ」　though.



Kikino!	Jun 24 2010, 01:40:52 AM Post #2
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pandas who read this scare me	Jun 24 2010, 09:49:45 AM Post #3
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azmikun	Jun 24 2010, 11:28:06 AM Post #4
I ♥ ??? Posts: 1,944 Group: YUI Lovers Member #25,299 Joined: May 29 2009	what I could point from "ano" website is : according to comment on that website, 1. we type [でわでわ] because it's more simple to type with QWERTY keyboard, because with just left hand we can type [でわでわ] faster that 「ではでは」 because we need to type with left hand and right hand. 2. it's kind of [言葉遊び] (playing word). 3. I think this is about "bunpo" (grammar), if we take an example like [それでは]、「で」is　助動詞の連用形　（conjuctive form of auxiliary verb），and 「は」 is 格助詞（case- making particle). In the modern kana usage rule in Japan, the particle [は] we write it also with [は], so [ではでは] is legitimate way of writing. Some people write it in [でわでわ] because the pronounciation from [ではでは] is 「でわでわ」 (dewadewa). In the matter of this pronounciation, some people also write [ではでは] with 「であであ」 -Konnichiwa is combined from 名詞「今日」(noun of today (konni or we also can read it "kyou")) and 助詞「は」 (particle (ha/wa). And people write it in 「こんにちわ」　or 「こんばんわ」 despite 「こんばんは」 have the same reason with 「ではでは」 from point 1-3. -But in the formal document we should use [ではでは]　「こんにちは」　「こんばんは」 despite 「でわでわ」「こんにちわ」「こんばんわ」 -conclusion, in this matter of 「は」or「わ」, it will be back to each person who use it. In fact some japanese use [でわでわ] because there are people who mistaken read 「ではでは」 with DEHA DEHA not DEWA DEWA especially 外人（foreigner). So, it's up to you which one you choose 「ではでは」「でわでわ」or「であであ」。「こんにちは」「こんばんは」or「こんにちわ」「こんばんわ」. I hope you understand this with my poor english explanation :P
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waratte	Jun 24 2010, 02:18:40 PM Post #5
「笑う門には福来たる。」 ... "Smiling brings happiness." Posts: 2,035 Group: Admin Member #10,551 Joined: May 16 2008	nah azmikun i understood great thanks a lot lots of good points there



Manuel	Jun 24 2010, 03:10:49 PM Post #6
"Every day is a new journey" Posts: 578 Group: YUI Lovers Member #2,283 Joined: Jan 19 2007	I'd like to ask one more thing: I've seen people using こんちは, is this correct?
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azmikun	Jun 24 2010, 03:55:37 PM Post #7
I ♥ ??? Posts: 1,944 Group: YUI Lovers Member #25,299 Joined: May 29 2009	Manuel Jun 24 2010, 03:10:49 PM I'd like to ask one more thing: I've seen people using こんちは, is this correct? I think that just to shorten word and shorten pronounciation. 「こんにちは」-> 「こんちは」 konnichiwa -> konchiwa or even when I saw a japanese dorama they also say konnichiwa with just kon or kon kon. Ohayou to just oha.
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waratte	Jun 24 2010, 04:42:44 PM Post #8
「笑う門には福来たる。」 ... "Smiling brings happiness." Posts: 2,035 Group: Admin Member #10,551 Joined: May 16 2008	konyanyachiwa!! xD



Manuel	Jun 24 2010, 08:26:15 PM Post #9
"Every day is a new journey" Posts: 578 Group: YUI Lovers Member #2,283 Joined: Jan 19 2007	ありがとう～！ I supposed that, but it's great to confirm ^^ thanks again!
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KaiserKawaii	Jun 30 2010, 11:05:17 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,621 Group: YUI Lovers Member #1,745 Joined: Nov 17 2006	our sensei told us to use こんにちは　instead of こんにちわ... we would be marked wrong if we we do otherwise.
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Miyuki	Jul 8 2010, 02:12:16 AM Post #11
YUI Argentina! Posts: 337 Group: YUI Lovers Member #25,336 Joined: Jun 2 2009	azmikun Jun 24 2010, 03:55:37 PM Manuel Jun 24 2010, 03:10:49 PM I'd like to ask one more thing: I've seen people using こんちは, is this correct? I think that just to shorten word and shorten pronounciation. 「こんにちは」-> 「こんちは」 konnichiwa -> konchiwa or even when I saw a japanese dorama they also say konnichiwa with just kon or kon kon. Ohayou to just oha. i've also heared "ohayou" with "azasu", coz of the "gozaimasu"... maybe this is only used by people from okinawa? anyway, thanks for the explanation!



Shinobi_X	Oct 26 2010, 08:05:33 PM Post #12
Posts: 37 Group: New Member Member #548 Joined: Apr 24 2006	KaiserKawaii Jun 30 2010, 11:05:17 AM our sensei told us to use こんにちは　instead of こんにちわ... we would be marked wrong if we we do otherwise. Yeah your teacher is right (of course he is, he's your teacher ;p). There's nothing wrong with using こんにちわ in informal situations, but never use it in formal situations, cause it's grammatically incorrect and will make you look unprofessional. No problem at all with using it in mails to friends though. Might actually make your Japanese more like the Japanese young people use these days, and thus in a way more natural. Though these things (こんにちわ／でわでわ／私ゎ・・・) are mostly used by girls. Sorry for bumping an old topic btw. ^^" Miyuki i've also heared "ohayou" with "azasu", coz of the "gozaimasu"... maybe this is only used by people from okinawa? I've never heard "ohayou" together with "azasu" before, not even on Okinawa (not saying it's wroing, I might just not have noticed =)). What you do hear a lot is "azasu!" in stead of "arigatou gozaimasu!". Once again only in informal situations though. Edited by Shinobi_X, Oct 26 2010, 08:11:04 PM.


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